Showing posts with label honda civic. Show all posts
Showing posts with label honda civic. Show all posts

Tuesday, September 9, 2008

Honda Civic Vs VW Jetta


If there’s a hill, there’s a way. And if the road going up the hill is an empty stretch, you better have a darn good car to get your pulse racing. If you have two, even better.
Behind the wheel of the Jetta, Volkswagen’s new executive saloon contender, I was working hard with the gearbox — the 1.6-litre engine running out of breath, necessitating taking some second corner gears in first. Behind me was a fast charging Srini, ever so happy to give me a workout in his Honda Civic.
Then came a long, flat stretch and despite my best attempts, I couldn’t keep Srini in my rear view mirror, who whizzed past me like I was standing. And he was in the automatic, for crying out loud. Were he in the manual Civic, it would have felt like Chuck Yeager buzzing past me in his X1 rocket-powered jet.
Almost. You might scream sacrilege, because instead of the manual Civic, we brought along the automatic for the test — since if this were an apples-to-apples case, the Civic manual tranny would be battling with the Jetta petrol.
However, the question was simple. Would you spend Rs 13.49 lakh, ex-showroom, Mumbai on the Civic V AT — the fully loaded and most expensive Civic — or does it make sense to save 30 grand, exercise your left foot and buy the Volkswagen 1.6 Jetta Trendline?
It’s amazing how in a city like Mumbai, you can see more Civics than Maruti Altos. Yes, ideally people should have bought more of the small car given space constraints, but that hasn’t stopped the futuristic looking Civic from causing small voids in the bank accounts of middle class Mumbaiites.
The Honda’s appeal lies in the fact that it looks very different from anything sold in its segment, and by virtue of being a Honda, it has sold so well that in the last two years, its competition has just withered away. That’s exactly why Volkswagen didn’t want to miss the opportunity of having a dig at a bestseller, but is the 1.6 really up to the task?
Design ; interiorsThe Jetta, based on the Golf Mark V platform (and like the Skoda Laura), is a fine looking automobile if being sober is your idea of finesse.
Yes, the TV commercial is right about the fact that the car appears large, because when put out of Germany’s autobahns, where the average saloon is the size of the BMW 5 Series, the Jetta shows off its proportions on Indian roads.
It looks substantial, and the dollops of chrome help its cause. In fact, it appears a tad more interesting than the Passat, with its bold grille, large-ish headlamps and swell-looking tail-lamps.
Though if you stare too hard at the profile, you would get bored by its slab-sided plain-ness. You can’t say the same about the Civic, because there isn’t a single panel that looks conventional. Despite being a familiar sight on the road, the Civic hasn’t shown any signs of ageing, and that gets it a lot of brownie points.
It looks like an Olympic swimmer in one of those new controversial Speedo suits, and in this day and age where everyone is trying to play ‘safe’ with their designs, Honda has been bold enough to take such a radical step, even at the cost of losing some customers.
For such customers, the safe confines of the Jetta would be as good a homecoming as it gets. There are eight airbags — six more than the Civic — to keep you cocooned.
There’s also an electronic safety programme to prevent you from getting all tied up, though that isn’t easy with the Jetta. Add a fairly comprehensive features list and it makes sense. But the Jetta won’t make you feel special. Not in the Civic way of doing things. You just get into this heightened state of emotion once you are behind the wheel of the Civic.
Nearly two years after its launch, I could feel the special feeling radiate behind the wheel of the Civic. It makes you feel one with the car — the dials, steering, gear lever, handbrake, everything! The digital speedo might now feel more like a gimmick, but it’s so useful that I realised its importance after we drove a BMW X5 with the new heads-up display. You just don’t need to take your eye off the road!
Engine ; performanceYou know what 101 bhp feels like. You will know it especially if you’ve driven the Maruti Suzuki SX4, which feels fairly sprightly in the way it moves. You would think that the Jetta, with 101 bhp pulling some 1,300 kg of mass, will be as willing as a donkey pulling a tonne of cotton bales. You are partially correct.
This fairly basic indirect injection engine, with a simple two valves per cylinder format is what Volkswagen could spare for India, for reasons of fuel quality, since the TSI model isn’t ready for adulterated Indian fuel just yet.
I remember this engine very well because on my trip to the Frankfurt Motor Show last year, Volkswagen had given us the opportunity to drive from Dresden to Wolfsburg and I had the Passat 1.6 as my steed. While in the heavier Passat it felt more laborious, it didn’t feel as bad since it ran on much higher RON and better quality unleaded and that made some difference to it performance.
But since we conduct our tests on the more commonly available 87-88 RON in India, the Jetta didn’t spew out exciting numbers. Several standing starts later, the Jetta managed to hit 100 kph in just over 15 seconds.
Top speed wasn’t bad, just a shade below 180 kph, but it took fairly long to get to that goal post. Even in-gear speeds were just okay, with the Civic automatic trouncing it by a good margin. Anywhere above 3500 rpm, the Jetta sounds buzzy and slightly crude.
If you are really looking at a performance entry D-segmenter, just don’t put this car on your list. But if you like wafting around at very legal speeds and will most likely be chauffeured around, the Jetta 1.6 is your kind of car.
It’s a peaceful experience if its driven with a light foot, something not very different from those tai-chi exercises. At low speeds it has the kind of driveability that the Civic just about manages to keep up with. Good for city driving, slightly lacking for highway stints.
You don’t crib about that in the Civic. There is an engine note attached to the 1.8-litre mill, so you rev the nuts off the car, just to listen in to it. It’s a bit like a refined two-stroker, but that’s good enough. What sounds good enough also goes fast.
The double overhead camshaft engine with a zillionth generation VTEC system in place puts the car nearly three seconds ahead of the Jetta in the dash to 100 kph.
With gearshifts in S mode, it hits the redline before it upshifts and if you choose to use the paddleshifts you can stick to the redline in any gear, all day, before you blow a gasket or pop a valve. It too manages a top speed under 180 kph, which isn’t bad at all for a car with a power sapping auto tranny.
Ride ; handlingEvery Honda saloon on sale in India has some typical traits. Front-end grip is not a problem but a soft rear suspension setup takes away some of the joy. That’s exactly the issue with the Civic. You love to throw it around because of the driving position and the beautifully weighted steering.
It moves in very positively attacking corners, but the rear end tends to feel loose, threatening to let go of the tail if things get a bit messy. You can’t complain much about the Jetta, which holds its line beautifully —you have to be trying hard to get it crossed up even with the ESP off. The McPherson struts with lower arms at the front and compound axle setup at the rear give it a very good relation between front-end grip and cornering balance.
Add the wider 16-inchers to the picture and what you get is masses of grip. It truly behaves like a mini Passat, but is just a bit more agile.
Like the Passat, the Jetta’s ride quality is a strength. Rebound damping is better, and the Civic isn’t even in the picture. For all its soft rear suspension setup, the Civic doesn’t even feel damped.
On a perfect road surface the Jetta will only feel slightly stiff, while the Civic feels comfortable. Less than ideal roads and the Civic will play paint ball with your spine. The Honda rides lower, so where the Jetta will just glide over speed breakers, the Civic will scrape its belly when loaded.
VerdictIt’s not easy for someone making his or her first foray into the D-segment to ignore the Honda Civic. Accepted, it doesn’t have the kind of ride quality or handling dexterity of the Jetta. Nor does it have the kind of comprehensive safety features.
But yes, in terms of overall build quality, both play fairly equal – the Jetta too has its share of scratchy plastics. The Civic though has that awesome engine that will never fail to amaze you. It also makes you feel special when you are behind the wheel.
Forget 100 point scoresheets and Excel sheets, sometimes seat of the pants and feel of the heart are what really matter when you are picking winners. And what’s more, Hondas are not just superbly built cars, but cars that hold their value as well in the long run, something we’ll soon start to see with Volkswagen as well.
So at this point, I have to give the Civic the trophy, but if Volkswagen somehow manage to indigenise that TSI engine, we’ll definitely call for a re-match.

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Wednesday, September 3, 2008

Honda civic sports


The Honda Civic Si is a sport compact / hot hatch version of the compact car Honda Civic built by the Japanese automaker Honda . The Si designation, which stands for "Sport Injection", was formerly used in both Japan and North America signifying the most powerful Civic available in market.

The Si was redesigned for the 2006 model year along with all other Civic trims, bringing about significant changes since the previous generation. The new car comes with a 2.0 liter i-VTEC engine that produces 197 hp (147 kW) and 139 ft·lbf (188 N·m) of torque, while also including a 6-speed manual transmission (an automatic option is unavailable) with a helical limited slip differential . Spring and dampening rates 40% stiffer than non-Si trims and stiffer sway bars have bolstered the Civic Si's handling, with the car achieving 0.90 g of lateral acceleration on the skidpad. It is also the quickest Civic Si off the line, with a factory 0-60 time of 6.7 seconds according to Honda, but with some tests posting times as quick as 6.3 seconds.
Honda introduced the Civic Si Sedan in the USA for the 2007 model year; only the JDM market had been offered Si Sedans previously. Debuted at the Chicago Auto Show , the concept featured larger 18-inch alloy wheels than its coupe counterpart, along with 4-piston Brembo brakes, and large cross drilled brake rotors. The production version lacked such concept accouterments, and the Si Sedan is mechanically almost identical to the coupe except for 60lb increase in curb weight and the extra length due to a larger wheelbase. The minor increase in weight of the Civic Si sedan is offset by its slightly-more even front/rear weight distribution percentage, resulting roughly equal performance; the sedan has a 60/40 distribution, compared to the coupe's 61/39.
In Canada, the Acura CSX Type-S was initially offered, which carries additional luxury options including leather seating.
The 2007 model changes for the Civic Si include the addition of vehicle stability assist (VSA)(Not included on Canadian models), darker silver wheels, body-color grille, and deck lid spoiler. Some slight tweaks in appearance with the reversal of the red on black color scheme for the secondary gauges and the front floor mats now have the Si logo embroidered on them. The introductory price of the Si Coupe increased by $800 for this year as well to the MSRP of $21,090.
For the 2008 model year, the Civic Si received minor tweaks that include even darker wheels than the 2007 model and a new shift boot with red stitching. Mechanical changes included a new tire pressure monitor system, a new rear upper arm that decreases the amount of rear camber, and a lowered spring rate for the coupe to match the sedan. This was also the first year the sale of the Civic Si Sedan began in Canada.
Current model:
The 2008 model year also brought into production the limited-edition 2008 Civic Mugen Si Sedan that was announced at the 2007 SEMA auto show. The new Mugen sedan features a higher-flowing cat-back exhaust, track-tested sport suspension, an exclusive Mugen grill, an exclusive shift knob, Mugen Si badges on the exterior and interior, and a Mugen body kit custom designed for the USDM trim. Production is limited to only 1000 units per year, and the car carries an MSRP of $29,500. Even with additional features, the road tests showed the performance of the Mugen Si to be roughly equivalent to the standard Civic Si.
Vehicle Color Selections:
Fiji Blue Pearl (Exclusive Color; Mugen Si offered solely in this color)
Galaxy Grey Metallic
Habanero Red Pearl (Exclusive Color)
Nighthawk Black pearl
Rallye Red
Taffeta White
Alabaster Silver Metallic

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Wednesday, August 6, 2008

Its time for hybrid cars in india!!!

There are more hybrid cars rolling out into the Indian market in 2008. Mahindra & Mahindra (M&M) is planning to launch a start-stop option of its Scorpio diesel-electric hybrid by end of 2008. The company also has a hybrid version of the Bolero on the cards, which, to begin with, will also be a start-stop.

"We plan to launch the start-stop option of the Scorpio hybrid before the end of this year since it is fuel efficient without adding on too much cost," said Pawan Goenka, president, automotive sector, Mahindra & Mahindra Ltd.

The start-stop option means that the the engine shuts off and restarts automatically. The other features in a hybrid vehicle include the electric launch, regenerative braking and torque supplementation by an electric motor. "Hybridisation offers many advantages, primarily the benefits of fuel economy and reduction in emissions," said Arun Jaura, chief technology officer, Mahindra Group and chairman, National Hybrid Propulsion Platform (NHPP).

Currently, the Honda Civic hybrid is the only fully hybrid version in the market. Priced at Rs 22 lakh, the car is imported as completely-built-unit (CBU) from Japan and is powered by a 1.3-litre petrol engine and an electric motor that delivers 47%-more fuel efficiency than the regular 1.8-litre Civic. Tata Motors is also working on a hybrid version of the Indica. The Toyota Motor Corporation is also planning to launch its Prius hybrid in India by 2009-10. Also on the cards is the launch of the indigenously-developed hybrid called the Beaver which is expected to cost under Rs 3 lakh.

Indicating the presence of a a niche market for hybrids in India, Pinaki Mukherjee, lead analyst, Datamonitor, said, "Reduction in import duty and awareness about hybrids are seen vital by OEMs in a bid to kick off the product in the country." The recent budget announcement of an excise-duty cut on hybrid vehicles from 24% to 14% is seen as a step by the government to promote such vehicles in the country.

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